Oct 23 2007
Barack Obama in the media crush

Gay Rights Group Pushing Obama To Drop Ties with Donnie McClurkin

On the road to the White House, Barack Obama is touring the country, encouraging one and all to “Embrace the Change.” He’ll touch the soil of South Carolina this weekend, but gay rights group, Truth Wins Out, will not be among the Obama-manaics embracing anything or anyone. Wayne Besen, the executive director of the group is not happy about Barack Obama’s invited musical guest, gospel singer Donnie McClurkin.

Besen says that McClurkin spreads the idea that homosexuality is a choice a person makes, as opposed to them being born that way.

Donnie McClurkin

Donnie McClurkin is on record saying, ” I don’t believe that [homosexuality] is the intention of God. Sexuality, everything is a matter of choice.”

Wayne Besen took this comment, and others related, as Donnie McClurkin not being in alignment with the embrace the change message. Get rid of him..

Wayne Besen

“We strongly urge Obama to part ways with this divisive preacher who is clearly singing a different tune than the stated message of the campaign,” said Besen. “I think he’d be a great president. But I think it’s going to drive away support from people who are on the fence such as myself.”

Obama replied that he believes gays and lesbians are our “brothers and sisters” and should be treated as such. He also said he doesn’t agree with Donnie McClurkin’s view, stating that there needs to be some.. I hate to say it… again.. embracing.

“I have consistently spoken directly to African-American religious leaders about the need to overcome the homophobia that persists in some parts our community so that we can confront issues like HIV/AIDS and broaden the reach of equal rights in this country,” said Obama.

“I strongly believe that African Americans and the LGBT community must stand together in the fight for equal rights. And so I strongly disagree with Reverend McClurkin’s views and will continue to fight for these rights as president of the United States to ensure that America is a country that spreads tolerance instead of division.”

No word if that means Donnie McClurkin will be kicked off the tour.


☼ What's Your Opinion? ☼

1 Yvette Tue, Oct 23, 2007 - 6:04 pm

Donnie have the right to give his belief like you do.  He has a standard call righteous from the Lord.  God’s standard is above all of our opinions, rights and or standard.  You will know that Jesus is Lord.  Jesus love all people but he doesn’t ungodliness.  If you have a problem with Donnie McClurking take it up his creator called God. Jesus is our Lord and standard in the earth.  You can’t get around it.  God bless you.

2 Lyndi Tue, Oct 23, 2007 - 6:52 pm

I totally think that you can’t expect a president to do and believe in EVERY teeny tiny bit of what you believe in, as long as he is respectful and encourages respect, and love what else can you ask for?

3 Morgan Tue, Oct 23, 2007 - 6:56 pm

I totally think that everyone has the right to believe and choice whatever. That is what America is all about having the freedom to live here and believe and be who you are. The preacher has his rights to his opinions and I think if he is respectful then Obama shouldn’t be told he can’t associate. That would be like telling me that I couldn’t hang out with my Mormon friends or have them over with my Christian friends. The more labeling we do the more separate we make ourselves.

4 Ladydi Tue, Oct 23, 2007 - 7:41 pm

O.K. I am missing something. I thought Donnie McClurkin was gay. I am not trying to crack jokes here. I had read an article that he was raped for years by a male neighbor and lived the gay lifestyle for years and then became spiritual but that it has been a struggle for him and his sexuality.  Can someone let me know what is the real deal about him? I am confused.

5 d Wed, Oct 24, 2007 - 10:29 am

he’s not gay, thats just what happened to him as a child, which is why he is so totally against it. so if he lived through those type of obstacles and still straight, then he’s letting you know that no doubt it is a choice. he just prayed and worked through it, he didn’t like it as a child, he was forced which happens to a lot of people, they just choose to stay that way.

6 MsMoni Wed, Oct 24, 2007 - 3:56 pm

The problem I have with Mr. Bessen is that by attempting to deny Donnie his right to have a belief about homosexuality, he is in turn not “embracing” other peoples opinions.  While I don’t myself, believe what Donnie believes it would be wrong of me not associate with him because his views differ from my own.  I think Obama handled the situation partially correct, he was right to speak up and give his point of view, but I believe a better solution would to have welcomed an open dialogue between the two parties.  That would have made him look more diplomatic and presidential.

7 CHIEF 00 Wed, Oct 24, 2007 - 10:27 pm

TO THE GAY RIGHTS GROUP, JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE DON’T BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO BELIEVE IS NO REASON TO GET ALL UPTIGHT. I TOO BELIEVE THAT YOUR LIFESTYLE IS A CHOICE. ARE YOU GOING TO POUT ABOUT THAT? THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES FOR OUR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES THAN YOUR LIFESTYLES.

8 SAVEDBYGRACE Thu, Oct 25, 2007 - 2:54 pm

HOW DARE YOU COMPARE HOMOSEXUALS WITH AFRICAN AMERICANS, WE DIDN’T CHOOSE TO BE BORN BLACK, THEREFORE TO BE TREATED DUE TO THAT IS WRONG, BUT BEING GAY IS A CHOICE. SO DON’T DARE COMPARE THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY WITH THE GAY COMMUNITY. GOD MADE MAN AND WOMAN, YOU NEVER READ IN THE BIBLE THAT GOD MADE ANOTHER MAN FOR ADAM, BUT THROUGH A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MAN AND WOMAN. THINK ABOUT IT!!!!

9 LOGIC Thu, Oct 25, 2007 - 4:34 pm

Wouldn’t it be etremely hard for a naturally heterosexual person to choose to be gay. So I imagine it to be just as hard for a gay person to choose to be straight. Either way, we live in a world where Obama’s campaign can suffer serious damage if he chooses to continue his association with a documented well known anti-gay figure. Obama is running on the democratic ticket, and the majority of democrats are white, loyal supporters of gay rights.

10 Loveforall Thu, Oct 25, 2007 - 4:44 pm

I think the issue is not whether or not we where born gay, which i was, and black.  The argument is whether we should support a man who clearly has neither supported nor condoned Donnie McClurkins lifestyle.  Donnie has his own issues just like everyone else.  I don’t agree with everyone that Hilary Clinton associates with but I can weed out the good from the bad.  Who cares that Donnie figured out later in life that he wasn’t as gay as he thought he was, people expierment, some take it further and longer than others. As a footnote, I wish people would stop quoting parts of the bible that only fits them.  If you truly where embracing the preaching of the past when he said love thy neighbor he didn’t give you an alternate list of those you shouldn’t love.  THINK ABOUT IT!!!

11 Theo Thu, Oct 25, 2007 - 5:45 pm

The bible declares homosexuality as sinful and an abomination in the eyes of God.

12 Karen Thu, Oct 25, 2007 - 5:54 pm

Donnie mcClurkin has admitted on MANY occasions he participated in the gay lifestyle back in the day.

13 CHIEF 00 Thu, Oct 25, 2007 - 6:40 pm

LOGIC, NO IT WOULDN’T BE HARD FOR A STRAIGHT PERSON TO TURN GAY. I SEE THAT ALL THE TIME. WOMEN SAYING THAT THEY ARE TIRED OF BEING DONE WRONG BY MEN SO THEY DATE WOMEN. IF PEOPLE BASED THEIR VOTES ON THIS THEN WE DON’T HAVE A LOT SMART VOTERS AND AMERICA IS SCREWED. JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW SOMEONE THAT IS ANTI-GAY DOSEN’T MAKE YOU THE SAME. THINK ABOUT IT!!!

14 Elektra Thu, Oct 25, 2007 - 6:47 pm

All of the so-called gay community, needs to simply back off when it comes down to what Pastor Mcclurkin has to say about homosexuality being a choice.  I, personally can relate to what he has spoken of, because I too am (X-Gay).  Homosexuality, whether you are a man or a woman, is simply a learned behavior & choice style of living.  No person is born gay…period No one is taught to be “Gay”.  Realistically, 10 out of 10 persons who consider themselves to be gay, have at some point experienced a negative situation, which has effected them in some way, leaving them to not want to deal with the opposite sex.  Being gay is an easy way out of having to deal with what faces some individuals in life.  It is an avoidable means to escape the reality of living through life’s challenges.
It is possible to walk away from “The Life” and live upright, according to the Lord.  I accepted all that I’ve had to encounter, dealt with it & stopped running.  I’m a wife & mother of three, so there is life after being “Gay”.... Get Off It!!

15 CHIEF 00 Thu, Oct 25, 2007 - 7:04 pm

ELECTRA, I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. I THINK THE GAY COMMUNITY, LIKE PETA, SEE SITUATIONS AND LIKE TO JUMP ON THEM. FIND SOME REAL ISSUES. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

16 B Man Thu, Oct 25, 2007 - 9:43 pm

Being gay is like the color of your skin, basic biology, just like you can’t change the color of your skin…oh, sure you can bleach or tan, but you’re still who you are.  No one “chooses” to be attracted to a person of one sex or another, you are or you aren’t and there is a spectrum just like color, but of attraction.  People want to make being gay or lesbian about sex, when it has much more to do with how you romantically connect with life personally, spiritually, relationally.  Some people like Electra or Pastor McClurikin were victimized or bi-sexual and had a choice, and that’s fine for you.  I’m am an ex-ex-gay and given enough time people who are responding to this page will understand why you’re even responding to this page…so angry about your basic gay or bi nature, whether amorious or self-loathing,  that you feel compelled to respond.  I wonder what the response would be from religiously conservative black if Hillary invited a Nazi person to sing or preach at one of her tours.  What the majority of you are saying lack the basic empathy to recognize something that you yourself experience every day, and yet defend when it’s not you.

17 CHIEF 00 Thu, Oct 25, 2007 - 10:25 pm

B MAN, YOU MAKE ELEKTRA’S POINT. YOU ARE AN EX-EX GAY SO YOU CHOSE TO BE GAY THEN YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND BUT YOU CONTINUE TO SAY THAT IT’S NOT A CHOICE. WHY DO PEOPLE CONTINUE TO COMPARE THIS TO THE BLACK EXPERIENCE. THERE IS NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER WHEN YOU ARE BORN BLACK, WE CAN’T CHANGE A YOU DID. YOU EVEN SAID SO YOURSELF.

18 LOGIC Fri, Oct 26, 2007 - 11:28 am

CHIEF 00 - It don’t beleive it to be quite that simple. There maybe a few situations where people have chosen, and even then I beleive it to be something that they were born with to even allow them the option to choose. The entire ‘Down Low’ phenomenon lets me know that it is more of a natural urge than an out right choice. I know gay/bi-sexual people who are miserable, hate themselves, feel hopeless and have chosen to to deceive themselves and others by living a lie and frontin like they’re straight.. all while being gay. They just can’t fight or suppress their natural feelings and attractions. So I ask, why would someone choose to possibly isolate themselves from society, their family, and everything they love by knowingly participating in a lifestyle that brings about so much misery, discrimination, hatred, and hostility? We all have a cousin or family member that you could tell was gonna be gay before they even were 8 or 9 yrs old (at least I did). I think the entire issue of homosexuality is not as black and white as we want to make it. I beleive there are many layers and levels to it. Its not new, has been around for centuries, and probably isn’t ever going to go away. We just don’t understand it.

19 MsMoni Fri, Oct 26, 2007 - 7:11 pm

I agree with Logic.  For some homosexulaity may be a choice.  However I hardly believe someone would choose a lifestyle so controversial and isolate themselves from family and friends.  I can understand why some people feel so passionatly about their beliefs.  You can’t understand someone’s life until you live it.  That goes for race, sexual orientation, gender, etc.  And even if you lived the life, your experience could be vastly different from someone who lived a life close to your own.  I guess what I’m saying is you can’t discredit anyone’s account of their life story.  If one person says it was a choice for them then it was, if another person says it wasn’t then it wasn’t.

20 AJ Sun, Oct 28, 2007 - 5:05 pm

We all come into this world with weaknesses and shortcomings. As the Word says, we are born into sin. That’s why we must be born again. I believe the enemy attacks people, even in their childhood. Some people may have an inate pre-disposition towards the homosexual lifestyle, and all it takes is someone calling them a sissy or an innocent touch from another curious boy/girl to activate their homosexual desires. But, at some point, we all make a choice to act on those things, whether we are 9 or 29. I’ve been down that road, so I know. I also know that God is a great deliverer, and He wouldn’t declare something a sin if we didn’t have a choice in the matter. Yes, you can engage in homosexual relations, and because sex is such a powerful act (it’s both a physical AND spiritual connection with another person) you can trick your mind into believing you’re in love. It’s just a trick of the enemy, and so many people are playing right into it. It’s always been the enemy’s plan to destroy the family. He started with Adam and Eve, and he hasn’t changed his his goal yet. The enemy is particularly out to destroy marriage. Why? Because marriage is the greatest demonstration of God’s love for his people. Men are to love their wives as Christ loved the church. No greater love has ever existed than the love Christ has for the church. If the enemy can detroy our view of the family through divorce, adultery and homosexuality, he can kill our connection with God and destroy society. And we wonder why we have so many problems in this country now. At any rate, I don’t agree with Obama’s pro-gay stance, but that doesn’t mean he won’t make a great President or VP. That will just be a point of disagreement. At the same time, I think it’s good that Donnie McClurkin has been given this opportunity. Because of his celebrity and because of all the rumors about him, the attention has been placed on him. Now he can use that to shift the attention to God—to speak about God’s saving grace, and how God can deliver someone from homosexuality if they are willing. I applaud him.

21 CHIEF 00 Sun, Oct 28, 2007 - 11:31 pm

LOGIC, IT MAY NOT BE THAT SIMPLE BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THIS LIFESTYLE IS A CHOICE. THERE IS NOTHING SCIENTIFIC THAT CAN CHANGE MY MIND. NOT THAT I AM AGAINST YOUR LIFESTYLE IF THAT IS WHO YOU ARE SO BE IT. MORE POWER TOU YOU. I JUST DON’T SEE ANYTHING THAT CAN CHANGE MY MIND. AS AJ HAS PUT IT “IT’S IN THE BIBLE” SO I CAN’T GO AGAINST THE BOOK. ABOUT CHOOSING A CONTROVERSAL LIFE STYLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE DO CONTROVERSAL THINGS ON A DAILY BASIS. I DO AGREE WITH MSMONI ON ONE THING, “THAT YOU CAN’T UNDERSTAND SOMEONES LIFE UNTIL YOU LIVE IT.” BUT IN MY OPINION THIS IS DEFINATELY A CHOICE, BUT IT IS YOUR CHOICE AND I AIN’T MAD AT YOU!!!

22 Majic Tue, Oct 30, 2007 - 9:38 pm

First of all, I guess “strongly urging” to have Donnie dropped didn’t work.  I think this is a bias request because it says gays want to be accepted for their belief (OK to be gay), but don’t want others to be accepted despite their beliefs (Not OK to be gay). 

I also think your statement about challenging African-American religious leaders is misleading. Gays ONLY challenge the Christian religion, because Muslims and Jews don’t accept them PERIOD.  You would think that gays would appreciate Christianity for embracing them when the others don’t.  Not going to happen though.  You give a person an inch, you know the rest.

People will have to be legally blind to believe that a person’s skin color can be compared to two people of the same gender having sex.  Do you see how stupid that sounds?  Oh, and FYI, what is even more stupid, it’s always compared to black skin, no other color.  The trick is this—It’s like being black, why we would want the controversy?  Good question.

When it comes to God, he doesn’t approve of sex out of wedlock.  Is there a such thing as a gay virgin?  I’ll wait for the answer.  Time’s up.  I didn’t think so either. Homosexuality is about sex and that’s it.  You can love people of the same gender, but CAN’T YOU KEEP YOUR LEGS CLOTHES?

This is my conclusion, if all people want to bring their sexual issues to church, you have to accept the following 3 rules and warning.

1.  All adulterers, fornicators, masturbators, child molesters and homosexuals will have equal say, without being shut out.
2.  All of the issues must be brought up in the Mosques, Temples and Churches everywhere.
3.  You must also accept bestiality, because some people say they were born that way.  It’s happening in Europe—> http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2005/may/25/broadcasting.radio


Warning - Do not tell God that the religious people said “you can be gay.”  Remember religious people don’t have a Heaven or Hell for you.

23 Dawn Thu, Nov 01, 2007 - 12:15 pm

More important than anything,it is more imparitive that we uphold the right to free speech,and free religous thought.
Never the less truth is that sin is still just sin. Nothing separates us from God but sin. If Obama had dropped McClurkin he would have lost my vote.

24 CHIEF 00 Fri, Nov 02, 2007 - 9:25 am

TO ANYONE THAT IS SAYING BEING GAY ISN’T A CHOICE HERE IS QUESTION; ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT I DON’T HAVE A CHOICE, AS A STRAIGHT PERSON, TO LIKE A PERSON OF THE OPPOSITE SEX? PLEASE ANSWER.

25 Ladydi Mon, Nov 05, 2007 - 3:29 pm

I am not a lesbian have never had a lesbian experience. I say that because I can see where it is a choice for those that I know who do get down like that but you can’t dare call them lesbian or gay it is what they like sexuallly. I agree with with Ms. Moni being gay or lesbian seems so hard. Just look at the words we all have typed here. Who would want that. But lately, I have to say I do think that some people are born that way. I have 2 male cousins on both sides of my family who are gay. One I think it was learned because he had to survive on the streets at 15 once his mom died and his dad kicked him out and he used his body as a way of survival. But my other cousin, liked boys from the age of 5. Now when I go to my nephews b-ball practices the coaches son and I am talking the coach is a MASCULINE, old school brother but his son literally prances around the gym. The son says stuff that I don’t say and I am a girly, girl. I see the son ignore the girls who come at him and is glued to the hip with this other guy. The son is gay and he was born that way. So I do think some people are born that way and some people play in the lifestyle and like it. For those who are x-gays or lesbian it would be interesting to know more, were they experimenting or molested or fell in love with someone? But I think it is unfair of McClurkin to be so harsh on those who may be struggling with their sexuality. He sounds like those republicans in congress who voted against gay rights but yet had gay lovers. Those who scream the loudest and comdemn usually are the biggest ones. Everyone is different. I think Tyler Perry was abused as a boy and struggles with his sexuality as well as the player for the New York Jets. There is no easy answer but I still think some people are born that way.

26 Dequan Fri, Nov 09, 2007 - 4:52 pm

WWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY??????

27 CHIEF OO Sat, Nov 10, 2007 - 10:10 pm

IM GAY AND TO ANY OTHERS GAY POWER .GAY POWER

28 Keke8181 Tue, Nov 13, 2007 - 2:42 pm

I am currently taking a class about sexuality and I am a Christian. So as you can imagine, it is a battle in that class. My teacher, for the sake of his argument, tried to completely disprove the bible. But if I, a Christian, did that I would be considered a Bible Thumping Christian who shoves her “religion” down people’s throat. The only problem is that the gay community wants me to conform to their way of thinking and see things from their view point. But if I did that, I would be a crazy Christian. I love all people and so does God BUT He still hates sin. I am sinner just like any homosexual person but I am NO LONGER CONFORMING TO THE PATTERN OF THE WORLD. I am not judging by any means. BUT the Word of God is what I stand for. You want me to conform but I will be the only one compromising. WHY? That is so true, no one ever says anything about the Islamic community b/c they DON’T TOLERATE it at all! But Christians are always the ones being pin pointed for what we believe in when SO MANY others believe the SAME things. Makes you wonder what TRUTH is there that everyone is SO against God and who HE is. Muslims KILL without REMORSE those who don’t believe. But Christians are considered the most horrible people ever. Do I think homosexuality is wrong, YES. Do I think that God cannot change people if they TRULY fought for His RIGHTEOUSNESS? NO.

One more question as I part. People say why would people choose to live a lifestyle of isolation, embarrassment, and complete difficulty? But why do people CHOOSE to do drugs? Same concept.

29 Mama Quittia Tue, Nov 13, 2007 - 3:54 pm

God didn’t make us to be gay if he did then he would have two men for the creation instead of a man and a women.  So what do they tell you and so Donnie is right and it is your choice and that choice is wrong

30 YOUR ALL WEIRD Thu, Nov 15, 2007 - 11:54 am

IF GOD MADE US IM WONDERING WHY WE ALL GOT MOTHERS YOU CHRISTIANS MAKE SOUND LIKE THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MAKING US

31 CHIEF 00 Fri, Nov 16, 2007 - 3:24 pm

IT’S NOT THAT THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MAKING YOU. THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MAKING YOU GAY, LESBIEN, OR BISEXUAL.

32 Bishop Sat, Nov 24, 2007 - 4:08 pm

I think most of you are missing the point.  The issue should not be whether or not someone is born gay or chooses to be gay.  The issue is this “push for equality” and how in an attempt to be all inclusive the Democratic ticket (those who are so called liberally minded) has become exclusive.  Regardless of what someone believes, especially a religious actor, he or she should still be allowed a space in the general society, just like everyone else.  Donnie McClurkin has an opinion about homosexuality, which he is entitled to.  Wayne Besen has a different opinion about homosexuality, which he too is entitled to.  But, what gives Mr. Besen the gall to try to dictate how someone else feels about a matter?  This is “push for equality” is very disturbing because it attempts to silence people.  True democracy is listening to what everyone has to say, EVEN if YOU don’t agree with them.  Finally, when attempting to prove a point let’s not be reductionists (i.e. comparing homosexuality to blackness or what happened to Jews in the Holocaust and African Americans during slavery to the modern Gay Rights Struggle) because it ultimately just ends up pissing everybody off, especially when they disagree with your foremost premise. 

Just my thoughts.

33 Bishop Sat, Nov 24, 2007 - 4:31 pm

Also, in regards to the point made by some of the advocates of homosexuality, you’re right: no one would choose the societal consequences of being gay.  Who would want to be subject to violence, discrimination, etc?  You guessed right—no one.  However, this argument about who would choose to be discriminated against is not the argument you want to be making because its logically flawed.  Instead, if I were you I would ask my opponents is there a gene for sexuality period.  Of course, there is no answer to this, and this might give you firm ground to stand on.  As it is now, your argument is weak and flawed. 

To my conservative friends, I’d suggest you argue something similar.  Is there a such thing as a gay gene?  Or how can we argue that sexuality is not a choice when people who were gay say that they are not any longer or people who were once straight flip flop?  However, you cannot make the point that homosexuality is wrong because the Bible says it’s wrong to an audience that does not agree with the Bible in the first place!  Therefore, you have to step outside of the text (I know to a Protestant that’s dangerous—“The Word of God is enough”) or use evidence from other (secular) fields to validate the points you’re making. 

So, where do I stand?  I’m not really sure.  However, incidents like this one(“strongly urging” Barack Obama to remove Donnie McClurkin from the program) seems to isolate people.  I guess when we get to heaven (if such a thing exists) we’ll find out what, in fact, God’s bottom line is by those who are there in attendance.

34 Ohi Fri, Dec 21, 2007 - 11:40 am

If any man be in Christ he is a new creature. Gay or sad, he is a new creature.
Ohi.

35 big pimp Tue, Jan 08, 2008 - 11:36 am

yeah

36 Y'all are just hatin' Thu, Jan 10, 2008 - 11:58 am

Um, why would ANYONE choose to be gay? I mean, come on. Extensive studies show that gay and straight men’s brains are wired differently. That ain’t choice people, that’s genetics. Say it’s a choice all you want, but if you say being gay is a choice, then being straight is a choice too, and therefore no different from being gay. But it really isn’t a choice. I would know. I am gay, proud of it, but I am aware that I didn’t choose to be so. I’m just attracted to men, not women. Living a lie is a choice gay people make sometimes, having a wife, family, children, but that can destroy a family because that man isn’t going to be happy. But it’s not a choice, I say again.
And I want to know when God said gays aren’t good. I just want someone to show proof that God friggin’ said anything. The Bible ain’t factual, poeple. Written a LONG time ago, by men who wanted to lay ground rules for the christian faith that was spreading throughout the world.
Being gay isn’t a choice. (I have heard repetition causes you to learn things, so I’m trying that.)
Being gay isn’t a choice.
Being gay isn’t a choice. Okay, I’m done now.
Being gay isn’t a choice… sorry

37 Cheech Fri, Jan 18, 2008 - 2:18 pm

Being gay is clearly a choice. Fuck studies, they never prove anything. You can never get the truth from a study of a small group of people.

38 God's Called Mon, Jan 21, 2008 - 7:17 am

loveforall…i must weigh in late on this issue but it has truly cost Obama a fan in me because of it. The bible teaches to love thy neighbor as thyself which means if you need help I am as a christian to think of you first. Not that I have to agree with you. The bible teaches to not be unevenly yoked to sin. Again although I am commanded to love all people even atheist and agnositcs and homosexuals I will not compromise or co-promise to make the gay community happy. I believe in your right to be gay that IS YOUR CHOICE. but i will not be forced to become a card carrying glbt member, Its funny how intolerance breeds more intolerance. The GLBT community speaks about intolerance to their lifestyle all the time but have no tolerance for people who disagree. Yes Rev. Donnie McClurkin did take part in the homosexual lifestyle and I am sure he struggled with that temptation much like i struggle with fornication as a heterosexual woman but He is Victorious. He does not allow himself to be held hostage by his shortcomings read Romans 8:1 and Romans 1:19-32. This particular passage of scripture speaks of it being a choice because the people chose to deny the Power of God he gave them over to a reprebate or debased mind. Basically God allows those who just simply refuse to accept that He is God and that His power is supreme and that his word is divine his spirit is present and chose not to glorify Him to do whatever they want because when Judgement comes and believe me it will they will have to give account for their actions and disbelief. Now while I dont condemn nor judge anyones lifestyle cause it is indeed your choice who you love. Because I believe love is a choice as well as who you love. I will not Compromise the belief that I have for you because when I stand before my maker I will have enough to answer for and being passive about the GLBT community just isnt on the top of list of things I want to have to answer for. Now by all means do what you do I dont have a heaven or hell to put you in. If you feell no conviction from God about your choice then party on but as people lets really practice what we preach I will respect your choice if you respect mine. You chose to believe one way and I another. But I dont love any one in the GLBT community any less and pray for your souls consistently. The bible DOES NOT contradict itself and if very clear on every point but man is fallible and makes mistakes. I try to embrace all the teachings of Grace and Mercy because I live under the Grace and Mercy and because in Romans 14 it says by the same standard that i judge God will judge me so I try to live a life of love and concentrate on my own shortcomings not someone elses but Its not anti gay to believe that being gay is a choice its anti gay to hate gay people for being gay there is a difference. Lets all learn to practice a little tolerance. John 3:17 Matthew 18:7-14 Luke 19:1-9 if you have more questions visit jesusquestions.741.com site is still underconstruction Read his book Eternal Victim Eternal Victor for a better undersanding of Rev. McClurkins views

39 God's Called Mon, Jan 21, 2008 - 7:50 am

Oh yeah I almost forgot….I lived with an aunt who smoked crack for twenty years. She was happy smoking crack thats what she did. It was her choice. Just like there is no gene or part of the brain that is genetically predisposed to drug use you are not predisposed to homosexuality. And No heterosexuality is not a choice because GOD intended us to be that way. That is why in Genesis he says that he would make a mate comparable to him and then made a womans body to be the compliment and accessory for a mans body. A man was made to give and a woman to receive that is why a womans body is made to take a man into her. Homosexuality is a spirit and I believe that people who are exposed to a spirit will receive a spirit be it homosexuality cursing promiscuity hatred racism sexism intolerance etc. by the way my aunt no longer does drugs but because of her long term drug use she now has to battle the spirit of drug abuse which she has done for almost ten years. Praise God from whom all blessings flow. jesusquestions.741.com you can email us at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) for the time being until the site is fully functional

40 Random Fri, Jan 25, 2008 - 6:01 am

Being gay is a choice. I think many people get feelings where they think another member of the same sex is attractive, but they realise that either its just seeing someone as being attractive or realise that its sinful and therefore try to avoid thinking in that way, and participating in gay culture.

I think some of you are missing the point, it isn’t homophobia, it is just saying that what you are doing is wrong according to the Bible. I’m not personally saying that people don’t get feelings where they’re attracted to someone of the same sex, but those feelings CAN be surpressed and you DON’T HAVE TO ACT ON THEM - Hence it is a CHOICE.

I empathize that it is difficult, BUT so is life. Many things are difficult and would be easier if we did something ‘wrong’, BUT many of us don’t because we CHOOSE not to. Some people may have urges to go and be sexually forward on a girl, its human nature, but either their mind or spirit gives them the strength to make the choice not to. I agree to an extent for people not to be homophobic, i.e not hate or discriminate against gays, but it doesn’t mean i agree with their actions or viewpoint.

This is why it is important that we believe in God, as then when we don’t follow God, the sense of guilt isn’t there. People know deep down that what they’re doing is wrong, but just don’t care that it is and would rather argue that it isn’t, because they would like to live in a world where they can do as they please. But us Christians must also not forget that homosexuals are still human like the rest of us and are no worse than any other sinful person, i.e all of us, but the difference is they are actively choosing to be, whereas Christians are trying not to sin.

41 moi Sat, Feb 16, 2008 - 9:03 am

there’s no question about this if you are a blood bought Christian. Life is all about choices and that includes our sexuality-we may choose to believe what God says about sexuality or choose based on our own human inclinations but think on this;christians believe in life after death-we’ll either make it to heaven or hell no sitting on the fence here. Should you realize it was all deception after you’re dead count what u lost but God help you if you find out heaven and hell really exist and God meant it when he spoke about unnatural sexual practices like homosexuality,etc. There you can never come back and change your stand on the issue and to christians love people and tolerate them but becareful who has your vote to be president,if he sees nothing wrong with being gay then imagine the community your offspring will be living in should such a person become president- trust me he’ll allow all forms of sexuality to be legalized

42 ota Sat, Feb 16, 2008 - 9:29 am

I believe the laws that founded America was based on the bible,correct me if im wrong. Christians Obama does not stand for your interest nor that of your offspring if he supports gay rights-he’s not your man and something really bothers me…is homosexuality a mordern day invented gene that only attacks todays’s generation from birth? and why isnt there anything like heterosexual right groups who get so uptight and feel assualted when the issue on their sexuality is touched. Face it homosexuals you feel threatened coz you know you are doing something terribly wrong! you know i agree with moi, choose heterosexuality coz heaven and hell may truly exist and if they do, hope its not too late when you find out

43 Winters Thu, Feb 28, 2008 - 8:39 pm

Oh my.

What place does God have in politics?

None. God has no place in politics. Politics have no place in the Church, God’s house.

I fully believe that a man or woman of strong faith can lead the country, but leave God at home when you go to work.

Ota - Homosexuality is NOT a modern invention. Did you know that looonnnggg before the great nation of the USofA was even a possibility…the Greeks expressed a lifestyle open to sexuality? Homosexuality and bisexuality included? Did you know that the Greeks are also the owners of science, the greatest philosophers in the world, the greatest theatre and literature, culture, war heroes and tactics, and art? Probably not. Given the deplorable use of the English language in your post you probably haven’t been given opportunity to learn the truth of the world and it’s people.

This twisted patriarchy that was created is backwards. How can you trust the conduct of a culture that viewed women as PROPERTY until the 20th century? Denied women education? Denied women the right to a job? Denied women the right to inherit? Do you know where these disgusting beliefs came from? Catholicism.

I have no problem with the Church in general. I know many people of faith who are wonderful human beings. But for over a thousand years…the Church was the most feared army in the New World. There were times when if you expressed a belief in another faith, you would be killed by the Church.

Even people who don’t go to Church, are influenced by it. The towns you live in are infected with hate and ignorance. You should be taking the GOOD from your faith, and leaving the BAD behind. Faith is supposed to make you a better person, not better at intolerance.

And being gay is NOT a choice. It’s not a “lifestyle”. It’s a life. The most deplorable way to approach love is to look at yourself as attracted to gender. You should be attracted to the PERSON, not the GENDER.

44 TO THE FAG ABOVE Sat, Mar 01, 2008 - 11:08 pm

SHUT THE F*CK UP GAY BOY!!!!!!!!!!

45 Winters Mon, Mar 03, 2008 - 7:46 pm

“TO THE FAG ABOVE”

I am neither a “fag” or a “boy”. I am female - to be married to a male, and I am educated.

Why is being gay derogatory to you? Do you really think that’s an insult? Does it offend you if I call you “STRAIGHT BOY”? Have you ever met a homosexual? I would venture to guess that you in fact have, many times over, and never knew it.

It is my sincerest hope that you are incapable of breeding. I’m sorry…you probably couldn’t understand that, let me try again…

THE WORLD DOESN’T REVOLVE AROUND YOU! DON’T WORRY ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS, THEY LIKELY AREN’T ATTRACTED TO YOU ANYWAYS!

Take your pitiful e-thug and use it where people are actually stupid enough to be intimidated by it.

46 Glenda Austin Thu, Jul 10, 2008 - 4:00 pm

History repeats itself the reason Sodom and Gomar was destroyed was the unholy sin ful traits men was lovers of men and women was lovers of women….To everyone has his or her own opinion…..........................Go Donnie MCclurkin

47 KEVIN MUSIIWA Tue, Aug 18, 2009 - 5:50 am

THINK IS ABOUT TIME I VOICE MY CONCERN TO THE PUBLIC, CHRISTIANS: WE ALL KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE ISRAELITES KINGSHIP…......HOW KINGS WERE PUNISHED BY GOD FOR SIMPLY DESPISING TO DESTROY ALL(GUYS I MEAN ALL) THE gods OF THE
{BAAL}
THEN TODAY WE ARE HAVING PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO BE FAIR,OR LET ME SAY “CENTER”.LIKE OUR LEADERS,COMPARING TO OBAMA’S STATEMENT ABOUT “embracing” our so called brothers and sisters, THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU TAKE BOTH SIDES. ITS ALL ABOUT GOD AND devil.
Lets all be christian who love one another,but not embrace evil, REMEMBER NOT TO JUDGE.

KEVIN FROM SA.

48 unknown Sun, Oct 25, 2009 - 5:20 pm

please leave God’s anointed my dear anointed brother Donnie McClurkin the devil is a liar and a thief and a cheat Donnie is a great example of what GOD can do God destroyed all the evil one plans.  people’s opinion is not important
“The beast shall ascend out of the bottomless pit and go into predition”..PRAISE THE LORD PRAISE THE LORD PRAISE THE LORD GLORY HALLELUJAH A BROTHER HAS BEEN DELIVERED FROM THE CLUTCHES OF SATAN PRAISE BE TO GOD FOR DONNIE MCCLURKIN LOVE YOU

49 Marshal One Sun, Aug 15, 2010 - 9:43 pm

We are living in the last days and it would be foolish to think that every one is going to be caught up. Last call! It’s been made legal in some states for men to marry men and women to marry women. This is the beganing of a down fall for mankind. It’s not a suprise to me this was prohesied to happen. I love everyone no matter who you choose to have sex with but God said that he will hold every man accountable for his works. If you don’t believe in God then just don’t worry about it. There is a place for everyone! FEMALE AND LOVIN IT!

50 Fabio Mon, Feb 20, 2012 - 3:06 pm

Can’t wait for the AMA The bgisegt line-up ever! Whitney will receive the International Artist Award ! Janet will open the ceremony and JLO will perform a new song

51 Angela Greene Gage Tue, Jun 18, 2013 - 6:47 pm

What on Earth??
God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply.
Please note that Adam was the 1st Man & Eve was the 1st Woman!
Where did Eve come from? The rib of Adam!
God told Adam that He needed a Female Helpmate!
How long did Adam need a Helpmate? For the rest of his life!

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