Sep 23 2008
Chris Rock outside the Ed Sullivan Theatre

Chris Rock to Bill Clinton: Somebody Tell Him, Hillary Lost!

Last night Chris Rock and Bill Clinton were guests on The Late Show with David Letterman. That’s some kind of lineup, you might think Chris Rock would be the warm up act, but Bill Clinton was the first guest. In conversation about the election, Bill Clinton couldn’t bring himself to say much about Barack Obama - his party’s nominee. Like an appearance on The View, earlier in the day, Bill Clinton said Barack Obama and John McCain should be proud to enter the White House and he respected them both.

Bill Clinton outside of the Ed Sullivan Theatre

He talked more about the economy than anything else; waxing philosophically about what a Clinton 3.0 administration would do.

As hysterical as Chris Rock came out, you could only imagine how crazy he was going backstage. He sat down and gave Bill Clinton a reality check.

Chris Rock on The David Letterman Show

“Hillary is not running! One of those guys need to tell him. I love Hillary but she lost. She got a lot of votes. The Patriots got a lot of points too, but they lost to the Giants. And she didn’t lose because of sexism, she lost to a black guy nobody heard of.  She didn’t lose to the power!”

All David Letterman did was laugh; he knew Chris was speaking the truth.

There’s also a bit about Sarah Palin and her moose hunting.


☼ What's Your Opinion? ☼

1 Ray Tue, Sep 23, 2008 - 3:57 pm

First, The show was another case of the Clintons are going to sneakily do anything they can to undermind Obama and next, Chris Rock was right Palin a white woman can kill a moose and nothing happen while Michael Vick killed dogs and is doing time in jail. Blacks need to start to take notice of things like this.

2 Gaias Child Tue, Sep 23, 2008 - 5:22 pm

She won’t win in 2012 either. Her negatives were huge from the beginning. Her core supporters were the extremely wealthy and feminist. If the Clintons want jobs in McCain’s administration they are behaving exactly right. Certainly there are promises made. If they succeed, we’ll see them in McCain’s cabinet. Let’s all make sure they don’t get by with it.

3 Sarah Tue, Sep 23, 2008 - 5:33 pm

Thank you Chris Rock! Bill Clinton’s comment were starting to really grate - I watched him on the View and Letterman. I’m a white woman who voted for Hillary in the primaries - but that ship has sailed! Obama’s the Democratic nominee now and many of us wholeheartedly support him. I mean, 95% of their policies are the same - it’s a no brainer.

4 Cassandra Tue, Sep 23, 2008 - 5:52 pm

Give the man a break!  He’s trying his best to endorse a candidate who is clearly not qualified to be the president.

5 Stymuli Tue, Sep 23, 2008 - 6:08 pm

Cassandra,

    What, and you are?  I would urge you to do some light reading, here: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf

The people have spoken. We have ONE Democratic Presidential Nominee. ONE.

6 Cassandra Tue, Sep 23, 2008 - 6:42 pm

I know we have ONE nominee - and I have every intention of voting for Obama, even though I don’t believe he is the best Democratic candidate for the job.  The point I’m trying to make is that everyone is trying to vilify the Clintons, when they have done so much good.  The speculation that they are secretly trying to undermine Barack Obama’s bid is completely grounded in conspiracy theory.  Maybe you can send me the link to support that as well.

7 Ray Tue, Sep 23, 2008 - 7:17 pm

Cassandra, On the Letterman show all Bill Clinton would do is talk about what Hilary would do if she was the nominee that in no way is supporting Obama. That is why Chris Rock had to come on the show and remind him that Obama is the nominee. Hilary is the one person in the democratic party that can jump all over Sarah Palin and she refuses to because she is a sore loser so lets not say for one second that the Clintons arent still steaming over the loss and clearly are NOT doing their part to help our party win. They are extremely bitter and it continues to show. They are starting to look like they didn’t like blacks at all just used us to get our votes so they can remain on top in the nineties. Slowly their color is showing!

8 Ray Tue, Sep 23, 2008 - 7:28 pm

One more thing to Cassandra, Speaking of not being qualified. Bush has all the so-called qualifications in the world and you see where his dumb qualified ass has gotten us. Qualifications are so overrated because unless you have run the country already you can’t be qualified.

9 Cassandra Tue, Sep 23, 2008 - 7:35 pm

Ray, this is exactly what I’m talking about - I watched Letterman, and the View, and the Democratic convention.  The Clintons have on many occassions been very explicit about their support of Obama, especially at the convention.  Yet the moment their delivery of support is a little subdued, the assumption is that they “are extremely bitter”.  As for showing their color - do you know the work that Bill Clinton continues to do around the world?  Since we’re all sending links, go here and then talk to me about color.

http://www.clintonfoundation.org/what-we-do/

10 Ray Tue, Sep 23, 2008 - 7:52 pm

Cassandra, The Clintons have, on many occasions, done there part to support the party not Obama. Like I said before Hilary is the only person to go after Palin because if a man talks about her we are sexest, which is a word that is too overused, but she refuses too and that is because she is bitter. Bill has often been questioned about Obama but refuses to talk about him and continues to talk as if his wife is the one running for president. Sure when it comes to supporting the party they are all for it but whem it comes to supporting Obama the ducking and dodging begins. It’s not even transparent how they do it but the Hilary supporters just will not see it. This is exactly why dumb (McCain) and dumber (Palin) will end up in office because too many woman are worried about putting a woman into office instead of helping improve our sliding situation in our country. So sad…

11 Cassandra Tue, Sep 23, 2008 - 8:08 pm

Ray, if McCain and Palin win the election, don’t blame this on women.  I am not so stupid to believe that ANY Republican in office will be good for women, be it one women or a hundred just like her.  Like I said before, I’m voting for Obama, and all my girlfriends are too - I don’t know ANY woman who is voting for McCain.  If the Republicans win, it’s because we have underestimated the stupidity of Americans.

12 Ray Tue, Sep 23, 2008 - 8:17 pm

You are partially right, if McCain/Palin win it will be because of the stupidity of Americans BUT it will be because of women who want to make so-called history. Why do you think that McCain picked her? It was to get FEMALE vote. So if they win it will be because of women. Men aren’t going to be swayed because she is a woman. You said you aren’t voting for McCain, OK…that’s fine neither will most of the women that end up switching their vote to McCain, they will be voting for Palin and that, right there, is why McCain picked her because he knows there are heart broken Hilary WOMEN out there. Not because she can better the country because she can’t.

13 James Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 12:33 am

I am glad Chris rock came out and really let Bill Clinton have it. Someone needs to tell them to face reality or stop trying to secretly hurt Obama’s chances to win this. Cassandra, sorry to say but yes the Clintons are trying and hoping that Obama loses so they can take a shot at winning it in 2012. Their plan is well laid out and Clinton fans fail to open their eyes and see what the Clintons are doing. They should either go away or do what they are suposed to do and SUPPORT the winning candidate. Not partially support him but fully support him.

14 sherryll Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 1:01 am

Oh, and don’t wear Obama t-shirts when you go to vote or you will be turned away.  Apparently that is legal because the shirts (or hats) are looked upon as a campaign tool.  Republicans are counting on a bunch of black folk making this mistake and instead of going home, changing clothes and going back to vote, they will just go home and not vote at all.  Don’t let that happen to us and Obama loses.  We cannot let these white folk do us like back in the day when they said we had to be able to read (when an equal number of white foks were illiterate) or be a citizen with papers when no black person had papers after slavery.  The shenanigans are the same.  It is just a different date.  Can we please unite and get this thing done?!

15 Totally agree with Chris! Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 3:48 am

Sort of sad to see Clinton living in a fantasy land.  he could not have made it more clear he was less than enthusiastic about Obama campaign.  I doubt Ole Bill is lifting a finger for Obama.  but i doubt Obama wants to win on the Clinton’s coattails either.  one thing I like about Obama is he is a self-made person, really extraordinary in that way.  and if he wins the election, it’ll be on his own and the help of his party of course but not on anyone’s coattails

i admire it,

16 Tastick Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 11:43 am

Anyone who can’t see that Bill Clinton is constantly insinuating that the democrats have chosen the wrong nominee and that Hilary was the better choice is absolutely stupid. The Clintons were blindsighted by Obamas win because they thought they had it in the bag. I’ve definitely been turned-off by them and very disappointed in how they have proceeded after Obama’s win. At this point Obama seems to be the only real and authentic candidate who is actually focused on the issues facing the people of this country and not just on winning this election.

17 Rev. Charles Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 12:24 pm

Thank you Chris Rock!  It takes a comedian to tell the truth.  It is funny, sad, but true.  Former President Bill Clinton and Senator Hilary Clinton are no longer individuals I hold in high regard. Before this election cycle started, I admired Bill Clinton greatly and adored and respected Hilary.  There behavior during the primaries was ruthless, cut-throat, devious, divisive and pure self-serving evil. BUT NOT MANY PEOPLE WILL CALL THEM ON IT! And now they have sunk to the lowest of lows. Their elitist loathing for Senator Barack Obama is obvious and evident.  I would have respected them more if they would have stated up front that Hilary did not want to be considered for the vive-presidency and they would remain neutral in their support for Obama.  Instead, in their self-serving way they are trying to preserve Hilary’s chances for 2012 while supporting Se. Obama in lackluster fashion.  President Bill Clinton, what it is “is” that you are a user, a snob, and I regretfully have come to the realization that you and Hilary are racists of the worst kind- vipers.  I pray for your repentance.

18 dani Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 3:19 pm

Hilary lost me when she lied about landing under sniper fire and when Sinbad spoke about it and the actual footage from their visit was on youtube - she said, “oh I was tired - its a mistake”. But its in her book!! She was trying to used that visit to Afganistan to put down Obama about his lack of international experience and it backfired! After Obama wins the nomination he goes overseas and he is treated like the new president and gas prices go down. They hate Bush and America now - Obama needs to win.

19 Ray Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 4:11 pm

Cassandra, The things that Rev. Charles and Tastics are saying are what I have been trying to tell you. People are starting to realize what kind of people the Clintons are. I can’t see why you don’t realize it. They don’t wan’t Obama to win, they are sneakily setting everything up for 2012. If I were Obama I’d tell them to just stay away. They will not mention Obama, they just keep laying their presidential plans out like they are still running for president as evident on the Letterman show. This is the first tie that I have ever seen the person who lost the primary still laying out there plans for the US. If that isn’t undermining Obama I don’t know what is. Hilary fans open your eyes and see what kind of people the Clintons really are.

20 Obama2008 Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 4:11 pm

With all respect, y’all are reading Bill Clinton wrong.  Obama’s supporters don’t need convincing that he will win the election - I know I don’t.  Bill is not wooing that voter.  He is pretty slick - he knows that the ones that need convincing are the undecided independents and republicans who respect McCain, but need an excuse to vote Obama. Say a few nice things about McCain and Palin to get their guard down (knowing all well that the door is shut the moment he attacks either one), and calmly go thru each point why Obama will win in November.  Its sneaky and brilliant.

21 Above Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 4:19 pm

Nobody is reading Bill wrong besides you. The Clinton’s have you sucked in as they had all of us. But when they saw that they weren’t going to walk away with the primary out came the sneak tactics and they haven’t stopped yet. They are Brilliant and the fact that they have so many people not seeing what they are doing proves just that. They are only working for themselves setting up 2012 hoping quietly and doing everything in their power to insure an Obama loss. You just can’t see that.

22 Obama2008 Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 4:24 pm

go to this video link and forward to 3:33 time in the video:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=185198&title=Bill-Clinton-Pt.-2

supports exactly what I just wrote

23 Above Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 4:46 pm

ONE video link has you fooled but it’s not going to fool all of us. Read between the lines. Just watch how the Clintons have been acting and that supports exactly what all of us have been writing. Watch the Letterman show from a couple of days ago and that supports exactly what we all are saying. The evidence is overwhelming YOU JUST CAN’T SEE IT because you are blinded b the Clintons. They (The Clintons) truly have lost all of my respect. They used black people and now we are starting to see that.

24 Obama2008 Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 4:54 pm

I did watch Letterman - and that also completely supports what I wrote.  He got all warm and cozy with McCain supporters, and then ran thru all the reasons that Obama will win.  Why read between the lines when Clinton tells you exactly who’s vote he is after?  Reading between the lines means “I know you (even though I don’t really know you) - I can read you mind (even though I can’t) - and I just believe what everyone who believes the same thing I do and nothing you say or do will convince me otherwise.”

Come on - lets get real here… If Clinton went on the Letterman show and jumped on the desk, and sang Obama’s praise until he was blue in the face, then you would say that he is enthusiastic enough, but he is not sincere.  Just admit it - there is no amount of Obama praise from the Clintons that will convince otherwise.

25 Obama2008 Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 5:06 pm

One more thing - do you really believe that Obama would let Bill Clinton campaign for him in this manner if what you say is true - that the Clintons are trying to lose the election for Obama.  If anyone would be able to see that - wouldn’t it be Barack Obama himself?  Do you think Barack is naive, and does not see thru the Clinton evil doing?  I give Barack Obama more credit than that - if anyone is a master of reading people, he is.  I think Barack, and the Clintons, and his campaign people have carefully planned this out.  They know exactly what they are doing - and being duped by the Clintons ain’t it.

26 Above Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 5:32 pm

First you are using Obama 2008 as your name and yet you support the Clinton. That’s like drinking and driving… it doesn’t mix. If the Letterman show proves your point why then did Chris Rock feel the need to come out and blast Bill Clinton as he did. If Obama was to tell The Clintons to leave the republicans would jump all over that and all the mad Clinton supporters would either not vote or vote for McCain. Speaking of getting real you should have known this. If Clinton went on the Letterman show and truly supported Obama there would be no conversation. Talk about reading minds that is exactly what you are “trying” to do when you say I would say he is not sincere if he jumped all over the desk til he was blue in the face. I don’t think Barack is naive and I clearly know that he sees what the Clintons are doing but for the reasons I mentioned before he has top deal with it. Why do you think he didn’t pick her for VP? Answer… he knows exactly what kind of people they are. I have a question all jokes aside, are you white because there would be no other reason not to see what the Clintons are doing besides being blinded by the Clintons or upset that Obama is black

27 Obama2008 Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 5:54 pm

wow - “..are you white”.  I’m Asian/white - and I support Barack Obama with all of my being. I feel I connect at a special level because of his mixed race. I live in Hawaii, the state he grew up in, an NO other state supports Barack Obama more.  I voted for Obama in the primaries, and I will vote for Obama in the general.  I try to see the positives in people rather than weed out the negatives - and, no, I ain’t seeing the world thru fantasy glasses - just trying to spread Aloha.  I guess I ain’t gonna convince you, and you ain’t gonna convince me any different.  So I’ll step off.  Peace.

28 Above Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 6:58 pm

I had to ask about you race because there is really no other reason not to see what the Clintons are doing. Sometimes when it is obvious you have to put aside seeing the good in people and see them for just what they are. The Clintons are very slick and they have a lot of people fooled but not all of us. Obama has been classy throughout this whole ordeal and if America is to ever get back on it’s feet after what that idiot george W bush has done to it Obama is the right way to go. GO OBAMA 2008.

29 Obama2008 Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 7:16 pm

I guess we DO agree on something - you’re being too kind when you say george W is an idiot.  And I will get off my high horse long enough to also agree that for some people (like W), I can put aside looking for the good in.  I ain’t sending that dufus any Aloha! And finally we agree - GO OBAMA 2008 (and 2012)!!

30 Stymuli Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 8:54 pm

This whole thread is a perfect example of why Obama is the perfect candidate for the job. We’ve had a lack-luster, uninspiring administration for the last 8 (7) years. Amongst us “common folk,” there hasn’t been this type of necessary debate and healthy dialogue. Obama has, with his campaign consistently brought people together on the tough issues. He’s managed to create forums of expression where everyone can be engaged, and believe as well as know that their voices count and that their ideas are heard.

Personally, I don’t believe the conspiracy rhetoric. I believe that it is for the most part, sensationalistic, but I also believe that it is political craft—ugly, albeit necessary to spread the unifying democratic propaganda. Everyone involved is human, first and foremost and the prize is the most prestigious seat in the world; the seat of The President of The United States of America. I don’t care if you’re Deepak Chopra, The Pope or The Dalai Lama, when you’re two steps away from The White House, you’re going to pull out all the stops and when you lose, you’re going to feel some pain.

You’re going to hurt and the people who support you are going to hurt for you. At the same time, however there is a time and a place for grievance. Bill and Hillary Clinton no more used black people, than black people used Bill and Hillary Clinton. Both constituencies are at a cross-roads where we need each other again for a greater benefit. Both Bill and Hillary don’t need to be all Tom Cruise about Barack Obama, but they can can certainly be more definitive within their supportive statements about him.

Considering the behavior of black people, would we still be having this conversation if Hillary won the nomination? Would we or the world care as much considering the dire situations we’re facing with regards to our economy, our foreign policy and our civil rights? Hillary is a strong woman, and a formidable human being. These things considered, what would be your understanding and appreciation of these worldly events and your stake in them if Hillary Clinton were awarded the nomination?

31 Blambo Wed, Sep 24, 2008 - 10:33 pm

I have to disagree with Stymuli, now thats a first lol! Hey man when have you heard of the candidate that lost the primary still putting out their plan for the country? Why do you think Chris Rock came out after Clinton on the Tonight Show and let him have it? You could tell that he was steaming back stage as he heard Clinton laying out his plan instead of backing Obama. Another thing you stated is that the Clintons used us and we used them. I’d like to ask HOW??? How did WE use the Clintons??? They are dirty my man. Why do you think their campaign let out the fact that Obama’s middle name is Hussein? They did a lot of below the belt things. They showed their true colors when they new they were going to lose. I will agree Hilary is a strong woman far more a candidate than that dingbat Palin.

32 Rev. Charles Thu, Sep 25, 2008 - 1:08 pm

George Bush and Dick Cheney has screwed America and its citizens for Haliburton, Big Oil and Wall Street.  I pray for Bush to each his foolish laughter and Cheney to choke on his “SO’.  People have died and are dying in a war based on"LIES”. Our banks, businesses and housing markets are failing due to the Bush-Cheney doctrine on lining the pockets at big business at the expense of our inalienable rights, jobs, standard of living, education system (crazy No Child Left Behind which is leavin many behind), our healthcare system, economy and unit in patriotism.  We have been used, played, mocked and scorned by the current administration.  Guess what everyone?  It is not a color or race thing?  It is a money and power thing. Recognize that WE ALL are hurting and suffering because of the last eight(8) unproductive and nearly self-destructive years.  Former President Clinton and Senator Hilary Clinton to shut down this current presidential race by either being supporting the Obama-Biden ticket whole-heartedly or just being quiet totally. Senator Obama has been above the fray, humble yet stern, and run a generally positive campaign.  He has the right temperament, intelligence and fortitude to run this nation and get us back on track.  For the last time I will say that Bill and Hilary Clinton are acting like immature, spoiled-brat haters who want to mess up “the game” for everybody because they did not get what they wanted.  The truth is the American peropl have not gotten what we have wanted and deserved these past eight years.  And, definitely the aged and silly McCain-Palin ticket will buy us a quick ticket to total disaster on all fronts.  THEY ARE ON THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE and will carry us all with them if they win the White House.  Bill and Hilary should get out of the way. White people, Black people, Hispanic people, Asian people, Native American people and all minorities are suffering and struggling through these tough times together.  NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL TO COME TOGETHER DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, INDEPENDENTS and LIBERTARIANS who want serious change.  It is not about peronalities, but what is good for American and the world.  Bush-Cheney are NO GOOD.  McCain-Palin are NO GOOD. Obama-Biden ALL Good. God bless.

33 Rev. Charles Thu, Sep 25, 2008 - 1:12 pm

George Bush and Dick Cheney have screwed America and its citizens for Haliburton, Big Oil and Wall Street.  I pray for Bush to eats his foolish laughter and Cheney to choke on his “SO’.  People have died and are dying in a war based on"LIES”. Our banks, businesses and housing markets are failing due to the Bush-Cheney doctrine on lining the pockets of big business at the expense of our inalienable rights, jobs, standard of living, education system (crazy No Child Left Behind which is leavin many behind), our healthcare system, economy and unit in patriotism.  We have been used, played, mocked and scorned by the current administration.  Guess what everyone?  It is not a color or race thing?  It is a money and power thing. Recognize that WE ALL are hurting and suffering because of the last eight(8) unproductive and nearly self-destructive years.  Former President Clinton and Senator Hilary Clinton to shut down this current presidential race by either being supporting the Obama-Biden ticket whole-heartedly or just being quiet totally. Senator Obama has been above the fray, humble yet stern, and run a generally positive campaign.  He has the right temperament, intelligence and fortitude to run this nation and get us back on track.  For the last time I will say that Bill and Hilary Clinton are acting like immature, spoiled-brat haters who want to mess up “the game” for everybody because they did not get what they wanted.  The truth is the American people have not gotten what we have wanted and deserved these past eight years.  And, definitely the aged and silly McCain-Palin ticket will buy us a quick ticket to total disaster on all fronts.  THEY ARE ON THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE and will carry us all with them if they win the White House.  Bill and Hilary should get out of the way. White people, Black people, Hispanic people, Asian people, Native American people and all minorities are suffering and struggling through these tough times together.  NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL TO COME TOGETHER DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, INDEPENDENTS and LIBERTARIANS who want serious change.  It is not about peronalities, but what is good for American and the world.  Bush-Cheney are NO GOOD.  McCain-Palin are NO GOOD. Obama-Biden ALL Good. God bless.

34 Stymuli Fri, Sep 26, 2008 - 4:10 am

Blambo, What it do, my dude? How’ve you been?

Politicians serve the people, not the people serve the politicians. What did Clinton do for Black people? Well let’s see…

During the first two years of his Presidency, 6 million new jobs were created; that’s 250,000 new jobs every month. The 1993 Economic Plan cut taxes on 15 million low-income families and made tax cuts available to 90 percent of small business, while raising taxes on just 1.2 percent of the wealthiest taxpayers.

As far as restoring or securing quality of life in our communities, he signed The Brady Bill, and signed a Bill that put 100,000 new police officers on the street buy giving Federal grants to 1,200 communities. That same bill premiered “three-strikes-you’re-out” and banned the manufacture of assault weapons while still exempting 650 hunting rifles for people who get down like that.

He made education and job training, opportunity (and in some cases placement) more accessible through the AmeriCorps program [of which I am proud to have been a member]. Other education and job initiatives included The President’s Direct Student Loan Program, Goals 2000,and The President’s School-to-Work Program.

Oh, and let’s not forget how he cut that defecit by $600 Billion dollars, freeing up a lot of money which became surplus; surplus enough to fund many of the aforementioned programs and initiatives while still keeping taxes low and the economy stimulated.

As black people—as free black people, we really tend to forget that although not all of us may benefit from “the system” the same way as others, it’s still a system put in place to serve its citizens; black, white, latino, continuous American or contiguous American.

Also, I don’t know how I could have possibly forgot these two HUGE milestones in his Presidency as it pertains to what he did for black people; I should have addressed these first! I’m of Haitian descent and I have family members who are alive today—who were fleeing the Haitian coup d’etat in 1994. It was the Clinton Administration that sent troops to occupy Haiti and clean house and restore power back to the Democratically elected President, Jean-Bertrand Aristide. When Rwanda got out of hand, and no other country was stepping in, it was Bill and Hillary who got on a plane, and went to see what was going down, only to come back, address the U.N. and get the world to intervene.

So, when we ask what they’ve done, let’s not get all brand-new. The only thing they used were our votes to get elected so that we could use their voice and their resources to realize a better quality of life for ourselves here in America, in these United States and abroad overseas.

While I agree that The Clintons must unequivocably demonstrate support for Barack Obama, I defy anyone to disqualify their public service record, especially as it pertains to Black Folk.

35 Blambo Sat, Sep 27, 2008 - 12:14 am

Stymuli, I am not at all attacking their public service but my question is how did we use the Clintons? We didn’t use them. Yes they did all the things that you said but those things weren’t for black people those things were for ALL people. I am not getting brand new about the Clintons but when they found out that they couldn’t beat Obama the gloves came off especially putting out that Barack’s middle name was Hussein. That, my friend, was beyond dirty. Before the dirty tactics of the Clintons I was split straight down the middle about who I was going to vote for but time and time again Hilary kept up with the dirty tactics. I think you heard when asked why she was still in the race she said that Obama could be assassinated and went on to say Kennedy was assassinated later apologized to the Kennedy family but DID NOT apologize to the Obama’s. It’s their dirty little sneak tactics that turned them off from me. All the things you said Bill accomplished were very true and in my opinion he was the best president of my time. I would have definitely voted for Hilary had she won the primary but she didn’t so her and her husband need to stop acting like they won and support the democratic nominee or just go away quietly. The ducking and dodging of questions about Obama and still saying what they would have done had Hilary won is a definite lack of respect to the nominee and they clearly know what they are doing. They are losing respect of many black people with these tactics and if Hilary is to get into the white house in 2012 or 2016 she will need to regain it. Once again all the things that you said are very true but when they could not get what they wanted you see how they treated a black man (Obama). I just thought they were better people than that.

36 Stymuli Sat, Sep 27, 2008 - 3:17 am

Blambo, I wasn’t calling you brand new—never that; that was directed to many amongst us who have lost sight of The Clintons’ accomplishments for all people including Black people. I can appreciate the specific instances you referenced though… her allusion to JFK hit a serious nerve with me, although, I didn’t lump Bill into that equation. I think as far as Bill Clinton is concerned, blood is thicker than water, and considering that she’s stood by him even after all his extra-marital excursions, what other choice does he have than to demonstrate unconditional support for his wife?

I didn’t agree with her tactics then and I don’t agree with them now; but this was a Presidential race for the seat of The President of The United States of America… either you go big or you go home. I’m not defending Hillary, I don’t want it to be construed as such; all that I’m saying is that this is heat that’s in the kitchen. And I think that Bill Clinton understands this moreso than Hillary does because he gave his full and undeniable support and endorsement of Barack Obama the next day on The Daily Show.

37 Blambo Sat, Sep 27, 2008 - 9:14 pm

True, Bill Clinton gave his support the next day (in words) but his actions have spoken louder. By not answering questions about Obama by going on Letterman and continuing to lay out his plans on what The Clintons would do had she been selected. Those aren’t things that he isn’t suposed to do if he is supporting Obama. As I have said before he is the best president of my time but I think he can do o lot better in the way he and his wife support Obama. They Know thay have him in a corner becaue he needs them to keep her votes so that is why they do the things they do and unless this changes people need to start taking notes of what kind of people they are turning out to be. They are kind of reminding me of what happened in Connecticut when Leiberman, a democrat who preached how proud he was to be a democrat lost the primary and decided that he would run as a independent. That should have shown the people of Connecticut how self serving he was instead of caring about that state but they still re-elected him and he shows up at the republican convention. The Clintons aren’t that bad but they seem to be on the self serving side Just something to think about my man…

38 Stymuli Mon, Sep 29, 2008 - 2:24 pm

I don’t know… I think that at this point in the season, most voters aren’t really as concerned about Barack beating Hillary in the primaries. I think that focus has since shifted to what’s going on in and with the economy and overseas with our foreign policy. I think more voters at this point just want to know who’s got the juice to get us back on track, and I think that in his touting of what he has done himself as President and what Hillary would have done, he just builds up to what Barack Obama is saying he will do. When they put the Clintons out there as surrogates, I don’t know that they’re having the Clintons just speak to [former] Clinton supporters, but also to the undecided voters who, for whatever reason haven’t figured out that Barack Obama is the man for the job. The Clintons may have shown themselves during the primary, but they never changed their stripes, like Lieberman did, and you know, I don’t think that they ever will. Actions may speak louder than words, but the media only replays the words and the opposing candidate’s team relies on those words to establish anti-democratic propaganda to further their message. As recent and ongoing media coverage will confirm, no one is paying anymore attention to Bill and Hillary and their support and/or lack thereof of Barack Obama in terms of how they demonstrate it. People are paying more and more close attention to Sarah Palin’s words and John McCain’s going back on his [word(s)]. Even user-generated media and news content has begun to shift a significant focus on The Republican ticket’s words.

That’s my word. : )

39 Blambo Fri, Oct 17, 2008 - 2:29 pm

Stymuli, I recently watched an interview of Hilary Clinton’s and she can’t even say Obama. Everytime she was questioned about the Obama presidency she would refer to it as Obama/Biden. Questions were clearly being asked about Obama but she would answer them with Obama/Biden. Example: She was asked does she believe in Obama and she answered she believed in Obama/Biden. These type of things people are picking up on and her credibility is plumeting because of these things.

40 adussycejesty Fri, Dec 11, 2009 - 3:19 am

Great forum u have here 😊 I have found some great talks here so i have a lot of reading 😊 Best wishes from Spain<a >!</a>

Name

Comment