These 2 are way to overexposed, give it a rest already. An average rapper and a female who can’t sing. There has to be something more in our lives. There has to be.

I assume your life is set in stone.  Most people should reach far in their careers no matter what you do in life. Reggie’s comments sounds jealous and not being fulfilled in his life.

Why when someone makes a statement the first thing that comes out of some idiots mouth is that the other person is jealous? I am not jealous, he IS just and average rapper and she can’t hold a note. It is what it is…

Aww….Reggie! I dont understand your logic. Because usually when an (music) artist is overrated their careers begin to dwindle far sooner than 8 (multiplatinum) albums deep into the game. Your accusation does not make any sense. Im not going to ask who your favorite singer or rapper is, because im pretty sure you have your own “personal” reasons. Mary and Jay regardless of their quality of music, has been putting it down for many years and still selling, so something is right; i dont know maybe their image, name, swag, charity work,  or hell, maybe their music? But whatever it is, business is business, there will be some winners and losers, and we both can agree these are some winners, and OMG THERE TOURING TOGETHER, how lucky are we? Peace!

http://www.myspace.com/nufsed909

Rap music, music in general has gotten so corny that nonsingers like Mary J and average rappers like Jay-Z are respected because there is nothing better. Do you remember when you use to have to sing to be a singer? Do you remember when you use to have to have lyrics to be an elite rapper? Now all you have to do is “Superman that ho” and you are a millionare. Look at Lil’ Wayne, you can’t understand a freakin word that comes out of his mouth and fans love him. I can’t understand that at all. That’s where my logic is.

Reggie, stay off the blog featuring our folks if you are sick of them. I understand YOU don’t think they are talented despite sold-out shows and millions sold.I guess you would rather bad news huh? Successful people bore you? How pitiful.

CORNY people bore me fool. If you don’t like what I say then don’t read it! You can’t make me stay off the blog. These aren’t your people anyway. Stop ass kissing, they don’t even know you idiot.

In some ways in totally agree with some of Reggie’s points.Although a huge self professed MJB fan, the music industry as a whole isnt about talent anymore, its become very commercial. and unfortunately, our society has determined a that great hook and banging beat are “good music” The reason mary and Jay are shining right now isnt because they have the best voice and the best lyrics its because people can relate to what they to say. Again as huge MJB fan Ill acknowledge shes no early 90’s whitney, but no one and i mean no one can tell story through songs like she can, the same can be said bout Jay.

Okay, Reggie, I see you’re just not a fan. I understand your desire for real musicians and real hip-hop. Mary J CAN sing! She had her moments coming up, but unless you’ve been to a concert and heard the passion and the realness and the REAL MUSIC from the heart, well you’re going to say she can’t sing. Mary, whether you like her or not is the voice of soul music and one of the only ones left who CARE about real music. Far as Jay-Z, yeah he talks about money, cash and hoes, but he also talks about street life and reality. And you know good and well that he is one of the sickest emcees to ever do it. Period. So feel how you want to feel, but Mary J. is pure soul and go to a concert before saying she can’t hold a note. One.

To interesting,

I have to agree 100% with you when you say that NOBODY can tell a story in their songs like Mary can and the reason that she is shining is because there is nothing else out there.

Non,

Passion and realness are the focal points of Mary J but I still say that she can not hold a note. Don’t get me wrong I buy all of her music but it clearly isn’t for the voice. As for Jay-Z no he clearly isn’t one of the sickest rappers ever HE IS AVERAGE AT BEST. If he is one of the sickest this proves my point about R&B;and rap in general they are headed in a downward spiral. There is just nothing incredible about Jay-Z, except Beyonce, that makes me think anything else but average about him.

Ok Reggie…...u win! If who is your favorite Emcee and your favorite singer? Please elaborate! While you’re getting that together peep this video out! Try not to bob yo head!
http://www.vh1.com/video/play.jhtml?id=1582077&vid=212282

Ok Reggie you win…....who is your Favorite Rapper/ or Singer? Please elaborate!....... I agree that medium loves the hip hop fad right now, alot of songs are not worthy of airplay, but business is business, however, Mary J and Hov been around when singing was required, and guess what? They still around. Mary is a soul singer (i.e. Nina Simone, Aretha, Jill Scott, Macy Gray, etc.) Jay Z is a lyricist. Point blank. They dont fall into those “fad” categories. They are survivors this is what I respect!

Reggie,

I agreed that rap has become commercialized and corny but thats why Jay-Z has lasted because he is not those things. Anyone who calls Jay an average lyricist probably only listens to the singles and is not really in touch with his full catalouge because then you would realize what a brainless statement that is. If you do not think the story telling and metaphors in songs like “D evils” “you must love me” and even newer songs like “pray”  are brilliant you really are should never make a comment about rap music ever again

Jarred

Nufsed,

I can go with Busta Rhymes as one of the best now or how about Eminem, white or not he got skills. I agree that business is business but alot of this crap sucks now. Mary was around when singing was required but she was at the tail end of it. I have to disagree when you put Marys name with Macy Gray, Jill Scott, and Aretha, they all can sing. They are survivors, as you say, but you have to realize that it is very easy to survive now-a-days.

Jarred,

Jay-Z has lasted because everyone has jumped on his d*ck for whatever reason, as you have. He clearly is NOTHING special I don’t care what nobody says. A brainless statement is to call a C+ rapper one of the best ever. Lets not judge his skills by the wife he has.. He is boring and that is that. I have to say though If I were him I would suck up all the undeserving fame that he gets too. Oh yeah, I will make as many statements about rap that I want as a part time DJ I think that I have earned it!!

Oh yes, someone with some real rap knowledge. Thank you Reggie for exposing what a farce Jay-Z is. He has gotten away with being called the best ever for no reason. I, like you Reggie, have listened and tried to figure out what the big deal is about this guy and I cant hear a damn thing that makes me go OH SHIT about any of his lyrics. You are on point he is average though.

Reggie

Busta Rhymes? OMG! Ok yeah he can get the party started, and yes his flow is sick, but what is he talking about most of the time? No variety! I agree with u Eminem, he’s hott, but where is he? Makes you question is love for music/artistry. Surviving is not being scared to take chances, changing your game, challenging yourself. One hit dont make you a survivor. Just because a song is hott right now, doesnt mean it will be hott later. Its not like 10 years from now someone will ask for clearance to remake “Drop and Give Me 50”! lol… Macy Gray in no way can out sing Mary on her best day. lol….(You’re funny!) Aretha is legendary (so thats a cop out) Jill Scott is flawless, but IT’S ABOUT THE COMPLETE PACKAGE! One good debut album, dont make you hott! (Confused? Refer to my definition of surviving). People Magazine said it best, “....you’re guaranteed two things in life taxes, and a good Mary J Blige album”.

P.S. There are some key elements in song delivery and writing that one learns in Music Appreciation one of those important keys are nuance. Look it up! When it comes to nuance noone of Mary’s generation does it better. This is why she’s Hott!

I think I have to agree with Reggie. I’ve posted many times about my inability to see whats so great about Jay-Z he’s just OK to me. I love Mary, but she’s not a great singer, but you like Mary for the same reason you like R. Kelly, not because he/she can sing, but because they manage to make hit after hit despite what people say; and I can’t knock her for that. I also agree that music isn’t what it used to be.  But not enough people support those artists who are truly talented and in need of our support.

Mike

What big deal? Mary and Jay Z are not big deals! They are legends to their peers. They become a distraction to some because they receive more respect than some up and coming hott artists/and thats when it becomes a big deal. New music listeners are saying she (Mary) cant sing, he (Jay Z) cant flow, but not knowing they are witnessing evolution. Mike when you cant reach back to the earlier years of Mary and Jays work one would ask “What is the big deal?” Name a better emcee/singer? Better meaning track record, survival, lyrics, image, same genre, sales!

@ Msmoni

Artist are hott for a reason; because they are hott at what they do! Feel me? I would agree I would not sit and listen to Mary sing the Star Spangle Banner but I would love to hear her sing Amazing Grace. The difference is SOUL! And shes great at it! The best of HER time. I dont care how much clarity, control, riffs, octaves you have if you cant paint a picture, or make listeners believe you, musically you have no career; so you better learn to dance your ass off! No offense to Janet, or Ciara! Trust me, A&R;dont care how well you can sing, their always looking for something unique, because originality sales….......forever!

Mary and Jay-Z are both overrated and that’s right they are no big deal. They are legends because their is nothing better right now. They became distractions to others because the others know that they both get the credit that they do not deserve. I am an old music listner and I have always said that her voice sucks but her, or whoever picks out her songs more than makes up for her sub-par voice. The evolution that we are witnessing is that you don’t have to be tallented to get a record deal anymore. Name a better SINGER and I am talking about her job not the extras that you are talking about. That list could go on forever. She just happen to be in the right place at the right time as is Jay-Z. The list of real rappers goes on as well. I’m still trying to find the big deal…

@ Mike

“They are legends because there is nothing better right now.” -Mike

Interesting he says that! I guess right now, happens to be 15 years and more right?......Anyway, so you mean to tell me its been 15 years and NOTHING better has came out! Face it, their HOTT!

“They became distractions to others because the others know that they both get the credit that they do not deserve.” -Mike

Between them, singer Mary J. Blige and rapper Jay-Z have 70 million in album sales, 12 Grammys, similar streets-to-mainstream tales and one brief retirement.

Now both in their late 30s with nearly 20 years each in the business, the co-headliners of the Heart of the City tour, which rocked the Air Canada Centre Wednesday night, are at their peaks. -Boston Globe

Not only do I respect that, as well as their peers, but the medium as well. Every award, acknowledgement, kudo, magazine cover they get I respect that. These two artists consistently put their best foot foward everytime they put out an album, or live appearance. With an condescending environment now (i.e. bootleggers, file sharing, infringers, etc)this type of showmanship should never go unnoticed!

I am an old music listner and I have always said that her voice sucks but her, or whoever picks out her songs more than makes up for her sub-par voice. - Mike

Whoever picks out her songs? WTF? Well, she writes 90% of her music! She’s been co-executive producing her albums since “My Life” in 1994 dropped. ITs called artistry, and if the pictures you paint as an artist (vocally, musically, physically) are believable you have a career, like I previously stated. You can talk a good one, but can you back it up! you know? This is what her current 5 million fans respect. Shes not a singer, shes a music artist!A soul singer! And damn good at it, obviously!

The evolution that we are witnessing is that you don’t have to be tallented to get a record deal anymore. - Mike

You’re right. But you have to be marketable! Mary cant rap, she is not drop dead gorgeous, she does not take off her clothes, she is not a dancer, you even state her voice is sub-par! Why is she still selling? BECAUSE SHE IS AN MUSIC ARTIST! She only has two Pop 100 #1 hits, but a string of Pop #1 albums. News flash. She sales albums,not singles. The world knows she puts out good music! Point blank! This is what we respect.

Nufsed, Alot of what you said is on point. This is the problem that I have with music industry they are looking for women that will “take it all off” instead of having a voice. Mary is all the things that you said and I respect that but “SHE CAN’T SING”. That is all that I am saying. I use to like it when you had to be able to SING in order to be a SINGER. BTW tell Reggie to drop and give me 50 for that Macy Gray thing too.

@ Mike

I respect that too! Thats your opinion! But shes the music artist that these “singers” hope to be! But Im “just fine” with her SOUL singing for now. Maybe if she ever decides to go Pop, she take a more universal singing approach for listeners such as yourself!

P.S. Do you think Diana Ross can sing? And wasnt this the same issue back in the day when Diana Ross was upstaged by Patti Labelle? Things that make u say umm!

@ Reggie
@ MsMoni
@ Mike

You all can visit me at http://www.myspace.com/nufsed909
I am an aspiring artist myself, and you can criticize me too it you want. But hit me up, I love chopping it up with other intellectual/opinionated peeps such as yourselves. God Bless you all!

P.S. lol at that Macy Gray that was funny! Add me too!

You are all missing the point!! Sean Carter aka Jay-Z is not a rapper, he is a business, man!!! He along with Diddy are businessmen. They have taken the culture and reached levels and endeavours that regular rappers have or will never see. Jay is one of the smartest businessman alive out there. He was not content to make money off music. He has two sports teams, NJ NEts Manchester United, two clothing lines, a hotel chain, a advertising agency, a music label and concert distribution deal worth over 150 million, 40/40 high end sports clubs, investor along with Mary in Carol’s daughter. That is what makes him HOVA, JIGGA, JAY-Z, the best ever. He has flipped corporate America on its ass just like Donald Trump, Martha Stewart. But he is a brother from my neighborhood in Bklyn NY. He is an inspiration. And, he has more money than anyone posting on this board!!! Plus married to Beyonce. So I understand the hate and jealously coming from this board.

@ Redfoxx

WTF? No mayne! You’re missing the point. We’re discussing his music career not his business career. But you are right, he has done some great business moves for his caliber. However, this is not what made him a respected rapper!

Redfoxx, What is there to be jealous of? Please tell me? True he is an outstanding businessman but I am not jealous of him at all. Yeah, he got that beautiful wife but that comes with money so tell me what is there to be jealous of. When someone is making a point that doesn’t mean that they are jealous their just MAKING A POINT.

Reggie , you c0ck sukking h0m0, What kind of fa-ggot a$$ chump calls Jay-z & Mary J Blige talentless when they have the free time to make 20 posts on some crap website noone goes to . What a Fa-ggot

Stop sucking their d*cks. Why are you so hurt? They don’t even know you. They are tallentless just like you. Apparently people do go to this site, you do dummy. Grow up. I will go no further with your dumb ass. Good-bye.

Wow! Last I checked, everyone was entitled to their own opinion.  A persons belief one way or another is not hate or jealousy unless derogatory or defaming remarks are made. I respect both Mary and Jay-Z for what they do and how they do it, but I’m not a fan of Jay-Z and I don’t believe Mary is the best singer. I think we can all rest assure they neither Jay nor Mary are harmed by our comments. It would only fuel them to continue prospering in their careers. And for that, I wish them nothing but success. Its apparent that me liking them wasn’t key to their success in the first place.

@ MsMoni

Basically, all we’re saying is, “if you dont have nothing nice to say dont say nothing at all”. Besides, this blog is showing Mary and Jay in a “positive” light, and congratulating them on their much successful tour, that alot of artists of their caliber couldnt pull off; why would anyone want to get on here and express their “negative” opinion anyway, its totally unnecessary! And that’s what makes you look a little jealous/ or jaded!

Nufsed, So noone with a negative opinion should say anything? What would the world be without opposition. Yes, congratulations to them for their success but positive and negative opinions are good for anyone. It is totally unnecessary to post positive opinions too, but we all do it. So if you post positive opinions are you kissing their ass? Something to think about.

@ Mike

What would the world be? Its not that serious! We’re talking about a blog! Hello? This blog is promoting the success of Mary and Jay, and paying respect to them. ITs like a congratulations-party! Why would anyone want to come in here and start voicing a negative opinion intentionally trying to change the tone, Its not warranted, and is totally out of place. I think you have negativity confused with constructive criticism, which is always welcoming. On top of all of that, you’re trying to state facts with no evidence! You’re tired! Tavis is simply stating facts, and what he’s stating is worthy of congrats, let them shine and have their moment! Its not that hard!

Nufsed, They will shine regardless of what either of us says. You are making stuff up, I haven’t stated any facts with or without evidence. Calling someone overrated, which they both are, isn’t stating facts it’s just my opinion. You must have facts and opinions confused. You’re tired! Let’s just face it music now just plain sucks and most artist these days are average at best at what they do and these 2 clearly fall into that category.

I agree with you Mike. thats what I was trying to say all along!

Reggie, is a true hater. These two got it going on with lyrics and business and you can’t stand it. Get off the blog man and find yourself.

Those 2 have it going on in the business aspect not the poor singing and the average lyrics aspect. You are just one that is trapped in the times of below par artist and you cant understand that. Find yourself my man.

LOL, he thinks macy gray can sing and busta is the best in the game? what a hoot!lol, ignorance is bliss. all hail J-HOVA! if u dont get it, u wont get it!

OK we got another Jay-Z d*ck sucker in the house. Big lips don’t mean that you have lyrics.

The only d*cksucker here is you Reggie, you HIV Positive Cum swapping homo piece of SH!T !!

Your mama got aids that is why you keep talking about aids. Gay bastard.